Rotary Gate Systems and What Is Coming to the Fence Show with Shane Mike Jones

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All right, man. That just gets me excited every time I watch that. I'm gonna have to watch it for the five minute intro next to that. I know it is 4:30 Wednesday Pacific time. I gotta keep telling everybody that because I live in a Pacific time world over here. It's 6:30 Central time, brother. You all messed up on the West Coast. And Mike Fence Life is live once again this week. Um, this time we are lucky enough to have Shane Mike Jones. I know I had that in the uh in the title, but it's Shane if you know Shane well enough. And uh Sean King himself. And we are super excited to be here. Uh Shane, thanks for coming on, man. Uh we talk a lot so it's I feel like we we probably talk two three times today anyway but it is good to see you again. I appreciate you having me on Brian. Yeah it's uh been a long day but I'm glad to be here and thanks for having me. Looking forward to it. Yeah man. I just learned you had two first names. That's pretty badass, right? I thought we were meeting with Mike. They're like no it's Shane. I'm like what? No it's really Shane and Mike. It's the same one person. He's probably got he's probably got two different business cards, too. Depends on who he's talking to. We want you to uh one of them has the wrong phone number on it. I'm gonna let you all guess which one it is. So, this is the one I call. I like it. So, um it is Wednesday. A lot of lot of exciting stuff happening this uh this year, not just uh coming up here in 30 days. Uh Shane, you you you've had a lot of new stuff happening at your company and you know, seen a lot of growth and stuff lately with stuff you've got going on, but I know um there there's it's some sad stuff happening in our industry. Our fence family has been uh supporting um you know, some people from our industry, and I think we wanted to take a moment. I know Sean had a couple things he wanted to say about that. Absolutely, man. I gotta tell you, I'm I'm very very proud of our industry, and I have been I mean, that's not that's nothing new, but we showed up on this one, right? So, we have uh we have a fellow fencer that fell on some hard times. Really just unfortunate events that occurred. If you don't know, Eric Dampier. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. I've never met Eric and I've never actually uh heard his name pronounced. So, Eric Dampier is uh primarily in the a industry of our of our industry with Dampier Fence. Had an intruder come in his home on Sunday. Literally enter his home and shot him. No question. Well, this is what I'm being told. He was shot three times. His dog was shot. He got one in the jaw, one in the aorta, one in the spine. The dog was shot in the spine and then they left. Like, as far as I know, we don't even know who that person was and they left their family in that distress, right? So, uh there is a GoFundMe account to help obviously with the most immediate need is some financial stuff right off the bat. I'm sure there'll be plenty of other things they need help with in the future, but one of our fellow fencers is in need. And almost instantly, the Calvary showed up. Like, I'm very proud to be part of this industry. I heard about it and then it just blew up the Facebook feed and people are just just leading each other and and sharing the story. The one thing I'll tell you about is I don't know Eric. Never met him. But when there's people that I do know that are good stewards of our industry and they start posting about Eric's a great guy, no questions asked. I don't need to ask. It's all in. Right. That's the cool stuff that's happening. I don't I don't need to question it. All in. And there's more people like that are messaging me. Do you know Eric? No. But I know that they do and they have vowed for it. He's a good dude. He's a great great steward of our industry. Let's give them all the help we can. So, I'm very impressed with everyone how they stood up and have helped out. Eric is stable. He's talking. Uh they're not going to remove the bullet from the spine, I hear, um because of of risk of paralyzing. Um so him and the dog both are going to live on with that bullet in them uh as they move on. So powerful stuff. Yeah. Powerful stuff. Our industry uh coming forward. It is sad that it happened, but you know, I put a post out there today. It's like as much bickering we do as industry back and forth like

Brothers and sisters. Mess with one of us. see what happens, right? So, we we'll come together. We'll come together. We'll band together which camp you're coming from, right? We're coming and meet and help a fellow fencer. So, kudos to everybody in our industry for stepping up. And if you don't know about it, there's easy to find on Facebook. It's all over the place. Um, jump in there and help out. It may not be a financial donation. Maybe you can offer time. Who knows what they're going to need uh down the road. So, just stand by and be willing to jump in. Yeah. Yeah. And and thank you for that. I mean, it's it's I think we've all been kind of following it on online through the social media and stuff, and it's I mean, it to think about just being in your home, the one place you're supposed to feel safe and to have something like that happen. It's I mean, it just puts chills in my arms just, you know, just uh just thinking about it and and not just that, you know, the incident itself, but you know, the way you were saying how the fence industry is not like anything else that I've, you know, in my life that people can actually come together no matter what. It's, you know, it's uh it's it's it's heartwarming for that part of it, but it's just horrible to even imagine something like that would happen in their own house. So, um our go out our hearts go out to them for sure and the family. Um and obviously if there's something any of us can do, reach out and I um I'm sure by the end of this thing, maybe we can get that GoFundMe account link down in um some of the comments here if anybody wants to join in and maybe that'll people will be doing updates in there. Um probably get that done. Yeah. So, we appreciate that. But um moving on to the show. I know that's uh we could probably go on to that for a while. Um Shane, not that we want to segue into that. Tell us, you know, tell us about tell us about you. First of all, Sean, thanks thank you for giving us an update on that. I I do appreciate hearing about it. Um yeah, the the fence and gate industry. Um I've been doing this for 22 years. Prior to that, I was in the fire service and that will be the only thing the only service that I've ever seen come together the way you guys are talking about and the way that I've seen them come together for this guy. So, um yeah, that's that's pretty amazing to hear. I'm glad to hear everybody came together for him and is going to help him out. Yep. So, Calvary's there. Yeah. 20 years though. Uh that's good to hear, man. You're fence veteran. Yep. uh started in gate operators straight out of high school and uh cut my teeth out, you know, digging holes, pouring concrete, and uh hey, we need you to wire this up. Well, all right. I've never done this before. All right. Well, here's a manual. You know, don't blow anything up. Keep the magic smoke in the board and you'll be fine. The magic smoke. Well, Sean, you you have a background, too. You were like a crossing guard or something for a while, right? Ah, yeah. I did do that for a while. A little flashing light. I drove a little beep be deep car. Actually, truth be told, we were the ones making the scene safe for the firefighters to go in. Oh, you were those guys. Okay. Okay. I think you uh blue canaries. There we go. Just saying. But I will tell you that I did uh I did try firefighting one time and I learned very quickly uh Sean King is not a firefighter, should not be firefighting at all. I'm not qualified, nor will I ever be. Uh it was it was a run. I was there in a law enforcement capacity, but the fire department wasn't there yet. So I thought I could do this. Grabbed a 3-in hose that was hooked to a pump at a farm and I just went at it. got the living [ __ ] shocked out of me because uh there's still power to all the outlets as I was hitting at the hose. Oh, nice. Didn't understand what was happening. The hose is vibrating and hurt. I'm like, what is going on? No. They later told me, "Kill the power, idiot." Oh, got it. I just can't help but think of the uh the commercial. Ding-dong. Jimmy John's. Great. Grab a bucket.

Oh, yes. True story. Wow. Well, Shane, you go back quite a ways though, uh, in in in our industry. So, uh, you know, Shane, tell us about that. So, um, yeah, uh, I remember and I actually had this conversation with a couple of the people who intended the boot camp and made me realize just how long I have been in this and how old I am now. Uh, but some of the first operators that I worked on, did service on were still the relay logic before we had, you know, integrated circuit boards and everything else going into it. Um, and then the old elite operators, you know, robo swings and slides and uh CS W200s and SL3000s. Oh, yeah. Those were industry standards. They were best operators you could get. And I couldn't tell you how many of those I put in and I also can't tell you how many of those are still in service today. I passed by some of them and man, I would have thought that thing would have killed over by now. But I'm getting ready to put in some CSW 200s this week. Um, yeah. Those are new ones. Yeah. Yeah. Not the overlay ones. No, I I have one of the old SL3000s. We powered it up yesterday. We got it on the table in the back and we use it for testing and some other stuff that we're doing equipment up. Yeah. I mean, I I don't know what it is about them. They were like tanks. I mean, it was they were simple. You think about it. I mean, you had your I mean, they were literally it's kind of like our old cars when we were working on them. you could, you know, change your own oil and you just had a distributor cap with some spark plugs and and you had like five basic parts and if it broke down, you you take out somebody's panty hose or something and use it as a belt to get you somewhere. It's like, you know what I mean? Remember you and you could actually sit in the hood of your open up the hood of your car and you actually climb up on the the fender well and put your feet down inside of it while you're working. Do you remember that? Now you open it up and Yeah. My wife's got a Lincoln, a 2019 Lincoln, and I I popped the hood. She's like, "Something's making a noise." So, I don't know why, but I'll pop the hood every once in a while. We're going to take it to the dealership. I don't know what I'm looking at, but my first car was a 65 Mustang that I got to rebuild. So, uh yeah, I definitely know what y'all were talking about. Miss those days. We had a Sebring. I don't even remember those Sebrings that were out for a while. They're kind of cool cars. Um and it actually in order to change the battery, you had to remove the tire. It was like the weirdest thing that that it went to that literally. Literally, you had to remove like the driver's side tire to get to the battery. And that's how crazy it got. We went from uh you know, being able to put our feet down in it and pull it apart to you had to remove tires to get to the battery. So, it's gotten that crazy. But can't even put a battery in the engine compartment anymore. No room for that. Well, I guess now the cars you're sitting on top of them, right? And it is it is a battery now. Your car is the battery, right? For the time being, I'm gonna pass on that. So, how far back do you go though? Um, actually in the, you know, what do you think that was? Like the 2000, 199. Uh, [sighs and gasps] so the Elite brand came out early to mid 90s. Uh, and I wasn't there when they initially launched it, but we were the first company to install them in the Florida panhandle. So, we were the very first company to install any of the Elites. Before that, everything around here was uh relay logic. So, I would say I think late 90s, maybe 97, 98. Yep. Okay. So, yeah, that's about that's about when I was putting those things in, too. So, um you learned a lot. I don't know if it seemed like they went in easier or something back. I think it's just, you know, they worked right out of the right out of the box and uh it they may not have had all the safety features and stuff, but they worked right out of the box. All you do is power them up, remember? Right. Yeah. Yeah. You had uh you had the IRD in there where you could tone down the force, but still if you got in front of the thing, it was still going

To run you over and Yeah. wire everything in, put power into it, and that thing was just going to go. I don't think I ever had uh any parts that were just bad out of the the box. Uh like I remember that either. Yeah. And those uh those omni boards, man, on the CS, what is it? CSW 2000s, the older ones, and then the SL3000s. those omni boards unless they took a direct lightning strike they they were I was going to say the lightning strike would kill those things but other than that that and maybe ants u definitely ants I think we just stock limit switches and some QR400 omni boards and I don't think some maybe some plug-in loop detectors when they got down to those and I think that was it you had that on your truck and that's all you needed the little uh limit switch cam nuts absolutely those plastic nuts y so but That is pretty funny. We're having flashbacks here, man. Flashbacks. You can restock your entire truck for 20 operators for $100. That was good times. Yeah. I don't I don't You're right. I don't remember a lot of stuff uh out of the box uh being defective. It's weird. That's weird, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. So, you were uh installing gate operators then for for your dad's It was your dad's company. Yeah. Yeah. It was Altech Systems down in Pensacola. Okay. Okay. So, so you've been working with your dad for a long time. Long time. Yep. Since I was about uh actually since I was about 12. Dang. That's not easy. That's not easy because you're uh you'll say things to your relatives that you wouldn't say to a normal employee. Or dad will say [ __ ] to you that he wouldn't say anybody else. I same age. Yeah. You get both both sides. Both sides. That's right. That's right. You got a thick skin to work for relatives. That's for sure. It does. Half my family works for me now. It's the other end. Now I'm trying not to be the dad. Everybody and you got to turn it off because you're gonna have to go sit across from them at Thanksgiving dinner in a couple days. So you're just going like maybe hard decision to separate the two and it doesn't always work out, but sometimes it does and we're good. Yeah, that's rough. That's rough. Um so um after you got after you doing installation what did what did you did did was there a natural phase into uh the manufacturing side as well? Um kind of so uh my father also owns rotary gate systems and uh he he kind of developed it on his own. He's a machinist by trade kind of an engineer's mindset. So in the 80s he worked on a program where the machine shop he was working for built tail gun motors for B-52 bombers. So, they got a contract to do I don't know how many hundreds of of bomber motors and sorry, I was looking at Michael Brooks's comment. I saw that, too. So, he finished up this contract and had enough parts left over and uh got one assembled and everything. Kept it with him. Didn't cost the government anything. So, y'all don't come after us. But uh right around the time they ended that contract and finished up all the motors, the government decided they didn't need tail guns and bombers anymore. So they scrapped all of that and somewhere our government has a huge container full of these 440 threephase DC motors. So that's where the kind of the design came from and he worked that on that on his own from about 2000 to I want to say 2003 2004 when he had the first prototypes ready to go and uh I was the first one out there installing them on a set of gates that we did on the beach and went from there. Nice. Was it always rotary under rotary gates? Yeah. Yeah, it was. Okay. Nice. So, um, so then it just it grew pretty quick once once people started seeing them because it's a really unique operator if people were to see it. And, um, I'm sure they'll be able to come see it at the fence show, but and you know, go to Rotary Gate, is

It rotarygate systems.com or Yeah, rotary rotary systems.com. Um, that's got all of our products on there. Uh, Mike, including the chain drive operator, and Susan, the the rack and pinion operator. Both of those are on there. The rack and pinion was actually the first one we did. Uh so from 2003 to 2008 was just installs by our installation company. Uh we did you know a bunch of beta testing making changes and tweaks and adding a manual release and different electronics and everything else. Uh in 2008 we kind of perfected the design figured it was ready to put out and that's when we went public with the product. Started selling it to uh dealers around the country and it really was a hit. uh we grew quite a bit that first year and then shortly after that. You know, everybody knows 2008 the economy tanked and uh so we held our own came out of it the other side just fine and looking at uh you know making our mark on the industry now. Yeah. Yeah. And I think you're doing that. Um you definitely have a big presence wherever you go. Um you guys make yourself known if you're 2008 was quite the ride for you to ride through that one. I remember riding 2008. is I feel like you're talking my my story of working for my dad the age 12 starting in the early 2000s riding through 2008 innovating and re redesigning uh like you you're revolutionizing gate operator systems. Yeah. Like this is this is totally unique. Rack and pinion gates. What? So that's what we were going for. Uh we didn't want to get into something where we're building a mousetrap exactly like everybody else. If we came out with and and don't take this as me bashing anybody, there are some great operators out there. But if we were going to come out with a pad mount chain drive operator, what are we actually giving back to the industry? Look, look who you're talking to, brother. Right. Okay. So, we to change and look at from a different perspective exactly what you're doing. I I you know I didn't know about rotary gate systems until just recently and I'm blown away that I have not known know anything about these and all the years I spent with the chain dragging and trying to ch tighten the chain up and and pulling it so tight that it tears the freaking bracket off the gate, right? Cracks the weld the chain get you got a nice little bow in your your gate all this stuff and you guys have had a solution the whole time it's just been sitting there. It's like, and how are you gonna how are you going to convince Sean that he shouldn't have a concrete pad? Where is that? Wait a minute. Drive this thing in the ground. So, one of the things that I like to tell people is at 24 years old, I had to have back surgery and uh my surgeon had my MRI done, came in, looked at it, had my secondary consultation. He says, "Hey, uh, so I looked at your MRI and, uh, we're going to get you in for surgery in two days." I said, "Wow, that quick. You know, you must have a a light load." He goes, "No, uh, your back is worse than anybody I'd ever seen." Not anybody at that age, anybody. So, and he had been doing this for years. Uh, so the way I'm going to teach you to not pour concrete pads is, uh, it saves your back. how many of those 80 pound bags of concrete? Huh? So, you're mounting these systems on a post, right? You're not pouring pads, right? So, your existing gate post, I can't help you there. You're going to have to have those in concrete. Uh, you're sending those. We can pound them. Hold on a minute. We can pound them. I see a video coming. I see a video coming. The first The first gate installed with zero concrete. To be fair, I got to be to be to be brutally honest and share and be vulnerable with you guys. I spent almost all day digging eight holes for damn gate post today. So, don't be so stubborn not to dig a damn hole. We dug eight holes because there are 6 in aluminum posts and I don't have the confidence to drive that through eight inches of asphalt and compacted rock before I destroy the post. No, I probably not in this case. Not not today. No. So,

So we weren't we dug holes and boy did it suck. My god, it sucked. Right. Yep. I forgot how bad that was just post for your your gate post. That was just holes for your gate. We put in a thousand feet of fence yesterday and didn't dig a single hole. That was all pounded. But these gates are 24 foot gates uh six foot tall aluminum that have I mean they got to put I can't just put that on a little bitty post. So there's a sixinch square aluminum post. I don't necessarily feel confident driving that through um eight inches of compacted subbase and everything else. Yeah, I think it'll destroy the post. We might get it in the ground, but I don't know that it'll be salvageable. It's got routed holes in it for the section as soon as you ding up the top of that. Could you imagine getting three foot in the ground going, let me get one more foot and smash the top and now you what are you gonna do now? Start over. So, I didn't have the balls to do it. That's really what it came down to. No, like we're gonna dig. my team. What? That's understandable. But also gives us an opportunity. I'm just gonna have to come see you and we're gonna have to try this out. I mean, I'm okay with trying it out on a different job. This I just I need to get paid on this job, brother. I called I called Sean at like 11 in the morning or it was I must have been about 11:30 and it was like a hangover movie, man. He's got he's got he's got he's got it actually it was a Zoom or I don't know what it was. I got him on the video and he's like this. He's like I effed up, man. I [ __ ] it was exactly like a hangover. Exactly. He's like he's walking around outside. He's like, "I effed up, man." No. No, man. It just went on for like a couple minutes before you'd actually tell me what happened. And then he goes over his camera and he shows me the hole. I Shane, I made it worse. I could have just drilled the hole with the We had skid steer with the Terminator bit on the end of it. Drill a hole. Be done. Listen, I have good days and bad days. Some days you're in a box, some days you're in a windshield. Today I was the bug. So I thought it was a good idea to take the cut off saw. Yeah, I thought it was a good idea. Cut a square. So when I dig through this brand new asphalt, I don't chip it up and I got something clean and neat to finish the concrete towards. Like that's my thought process. So I cut this hole and it was like I don't know 16 inches by 24 inches because it went to the edge of the drive anyways. I don't want that [ __ ] to crack. Man, we spent three hours jackhammering outside the hole and inside where I cut. There was no need to cut that. I didn't need to do that. It would have cut. So instead, four jackhammers, four guys, two hours on eight holes because my dumbass cut a square thinking it would look clean and neat. And this asphalt was so hard, it wasn't coming out. No. What? Geez. How do I fix it? I It's too late. I've already painted and cut it. My guys are like, "Now what?" I mean, um, this is when Brian called me. I'm like, "I just messed up. Like I This is the rest of our day. We're not setting post today. We are just jackhammering. Welcome to the fence business. Uh we can happen to any of us. I'm like, "Yeah, that's great, Sean. I need to talk to you. I need to talk to you." He's like, "I know, but just it took him a moment to like get break out of his uh his moment." Man, those are those days when you look at it and you've been using post hole diggers or or in your case an augur bit for four hours and you're six inches deeper than you were when you started. Those are the days when you want to cry. I'm surprised Sean made it to the show, but he does have a drink in his hand. I did rush home to get a drink. I'm like, I'm drinking a beer tonight. Hey, but all the holes are dug. The post are ready. We'll set them tomorrow. There will be concrete used tomorrow. Now, the question is, will it be wet or dry? I don't know. You're going have to break out the vibrators, the You got your own mix. I mean, you got, you know, it's Stay tuned for that one, guys. I can't give it away. Truth be told, I'm not even sure because I gotta pull I gotta pull a pad for the operator, too. Am I going to pour that dry or that would be wet? If I got wet

Concrete already, do I put it in the hole? And you're brave if you're going to dry set that with a gate. Just saying. I've dry set some fence post. I don't know that I have ever dry set a gate post in my life. Well, I can tell you I have never dry poured an operator pad, but I have dry uh packed mini gate post. I'm confident in that. I could do that. It's the dry pour of the concrete pad at 4 inches. I don't know about that idea. I I think it's a whole video right there. You need to dry set this thing and then uh and then like I don't know, the next day start putting your anchors in. Just uh get the Oh, the next day. Maybe 60 days from now. Just water it every day. every day for a while, Going, I refuse to mix this concrete. I'm gonna show everybody. Just keep watering it every day. So, Shane, these questions keep uh um popping up about the chain drive when that's coming out. And I got I want to get back to what Susan said earlier about um the tail. And that's the first thing I think I was telling Sean earlier was what's unique about this too is if you are in a tight spot and you you don't have room to add that 26 inches 28 30 inches on for a tail um this is a perfect applica you know perfect operator for that kind of application. So uh tell us about that and then and then the uh when the chain's coming out is it is it not out yet? So the chain drive operator was actually released at the fence show last year. That's where we debuted it. We had already done our testing and everything. Uh it's very similar mounts exactly the same as our rack and pinion operator. uh just a little bit bigger footprint on it to allow for idler rollers and chain sprocket and everything else. Uh uses a standard number 40 chain so everybody's got that on their truck for the most part and you're good to go. Uh as far as a tail on the operator, yeah, for so for a rack and pinion operator, that's going to be your best bet. If you've got limited space, the size of the operator from the face of your post out to the end of the operator is about seven inches. So if you've got space or you just don't want to build that gate, then what you need is the width of your opening. I tell everybody plus about a foot. But you're but you're rolling on the ground then at that point. It's not a can lever. Right. Right. So for a canal lever though, you go uh you can go the very minimum because we're where we mount is in between your two posts. You get your gate to your back post. And I'd still say just for safety reasons, go another six inches past that. But after that, you're done. Is there any additional um issues with uh safety with the rack and pinion? Is there something a guard we got to worry about? I don't I mean, no. So, it comes with a guard to cover up the teeth on it and where they mesh with the with the gate, the teeth on the gate. Uh all that's covered. So, all that's taken care of from us. So, y'all don't have to worry about any of that. Nice. Nice. What do they uh I know there's some advantages of the rack and pinion, you know, and if you go to a lot of countries, you go to Europe and other places, um rack and pinion is it's all they got in some of these countries. They don't even use the chains, but it feel you know what it feels like in the US is we're so stuck on chains because that's what we're used to. So the idea the idea of the rack and pinion, it's just we we we almost like we almost think it's oh, it's it's it's from another country or it's, you know, the cheaper unit. They don't realize how much better the rack and pinion in my opinion is, you know, on a gate operator. I think it's a no-brainer, Brian. Like, why? What? It's a no-brainer. Uh once once the installation company that I work for started installing these things, I don't think we ever installed another chain drive operator after that. It was an easy sell to the customer, you know, you you present them this uh big box that we're going to tear up your $10,000 landscaping job, pour a bunch of concrete. Uh you're not going to see us for three days because we got to wait for the concrete to set up and then we're going to come back out, mount this

Box. Plus, you're going to have chain through there. your chain's going to rust and mess up your nice pretty driveway. Uh go through all that and offer them a rotary operator. Say this going to mount to your post that we have to have there anyway. We're not going to do any other digging or messing up with your entryway and uh this is all you're going to see and we're not going to have the chain. It's going to be quiet. It's selflubricating nylon. So So why do you have a chain driven unit then? Well, we got into situations. Uh, the biggest market was in Dallas. I've got a cousin who does access control and gate gate automation over there. Most of their gates, actually, I' I'd venture to say all of their gates. Michael Brooks will be able to answer this more than I would, but they're all VTRE. And the way he explained it to us, these things get hit constantly, and they don't want them replaced. They don't even want them fixed perfectly straight. They He said they want me to come out with a torch and a sledgehammer and beat it into submission so it'll roll. No. Okay. So, if you have the track if you have your track system on there, you're afraid that it'll cause a kink in the in the gear in the track and it won't work very well, it won't bend like a like a chain can uh have more tolerance. Does that make sense? So, if you got a chain drive operator and your gate looks like a a snake going down the road, then the chain's still going to pull it. with our rack and pinion drive operator. You know, it needs to be a little more uh a little better than that. So, is your rack pretty rigid or does it flex? So, our rack is actually really flexible. Uh we can, you know, I show that at every one of the events that I go to. I thought you had a gate that was a curve with a rack on it, right? Yep. So, that's what I show everybody. You can bend that stuff 90 degrees over. Yeah. That's that's amazing. you naturally segueed into uh what I was going to say next were the the positive things to chain driven. All right. So there's there's pluses and minuses to both. So I mean and and you know I use a lot of chain driven you know when we do installations and stuff and it's it is easier on the repairs and you know things like that and it's more forgiving you know on the gate and things like that. So um but you know I mean I go one step further. I use a number 39 chain on all of mine just uh just so it's a little bit better you know. Oh yeah. Okay. Of course you do. We might have some issues with that. I don't know if I'm gonna be able to match that size. I know. I know. If you can provide the chain, then I'll put it on there for you. Really? So, but even with the the chain drive operator, uh you know, you're still getting a huge benefit over a pad mount operator. You It still mounts to the post, so you're still not having to pour or dig holes uh run your conduit under there, lift up 80 combats concrete and pour those, wait three days for them to set up and everything else. it's still going to amount to your post. So, is is there any any reason why this wouldn't work for class three or class 4 sites? I mean, is it No, we're we're actually uh ETL listed for class one, two, three, and four. The the one thing we can't do with class 4 operators, and one thing I don't want to do, I don't want to get involved with that, at least not at this stage, is some of those installations uh needs you to be able to hit a button, and at that point, it ignores all safeties and close as quickly as it can. And if there's anything in the way, it's You're just supposed to crush it. It's bulldozing through it. Yeah. Yeah. Those are your your crash gates. And you know, V-MAG does that, but they move at 9 feet per second or something. I don't Damn. I have no interest in getting into that. At least not at this point. You would need a big rack and pinion for Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crush crush some cars. Not that our motor wouldn't do it. Uh the what was it? Um, stall current on our DC motor is like 90 amps, which no

Circuit board on the market can even handle that. If it did, that thing would put out more torque than my F-150. So, it would definitely move whatever you wanted it to move. Uh, we're just we're not there. Is are they mainly DC units? All of them? Yeah, all of our operators are DC. They come with a built-in battery backup. And how are they on solar? Can you hook a solar up to these? If you upgrade the batteries, anything like that? You do want to upgrade the batteries. We we still send 5 amp hour batteries with them if a dealer wants them. If not, we'll give a little bit of a discount to get those batteries out of there, but they're going to upgrade it to what they need. And we worked with SAS for a little bit on some of their solar installations. We worked with some dealers direct on some of their solar installations. It really always seemed like anytime we went through to work with them and got them uh solar equipment, we calculated something wrong. So, okay. Being in Florida, we're going to calculate uh how much sun we get, and that's going to be completely different than what they get in Tennessee. So, Yeah. So, they must be pretty efficient for 5 amp hour batteries because uh Yeah. I mean, to be running 5 amp hour batteries, these got to be pretty efficient motors. They are uh peak current draw with a gate on it. And these are now most of what I get to test with are aluminum gates. So it's going to be different than what you guys see with the steel. But the peak current draw on our aluminum gates uh 35 ft long, six feet tall is 4 amps. And without anything hooked to it, Yeah. Yeah. It's decent size gate. Uh without any gate on it, no load at all, then we're looking at two amps or less. Yeah. So you mount the operator on the post, which is your I'm assuming your gate post right there. you know, from what I've seen. And then you have a control board that's sitting inside of a box that gets either and you can mount that right next to it or over on a wall if you need the room wherever you want to mount that. Does it does it come with some leads with it or is there a certain recommended distance you can mount the control box from the motor itself? So, your operator comes with eight feet 8 foot leads on it and that'll get you within most places. Uh if if you're in a commercial or industrial site, you know, you can put the control box right there next to it, no problem. If you go to a residential, if you go to uh some of these high-end HOAs or apartment complexes, uh you can put it in their garage, you can put it in their gate house, guard house, whatever you have available to kind of hide that, make the operator system as least intrusive as possible. Now, when you go to extend your wires out, I tell everybody you want to follow basic electrical rules. Uh you go 100 feet away, go up a size and wire. Nice. So if you had a dual operation, is there is you could put a slave unit on it and then you use the same control board or is it a different control board for a dual than a single? So you got to order two operator setups for a primary secondary setup. So if you got two gates there and they communicate over just a basic three-wire RS485 like all the old ones do. We are working on a wireless uh primary secondary, but I don't have a date for that yet. So, I'm not going to not going to speculate on when we'll have that available. Yep. So, you launched the chain one. That's why that's why when that question came up, man, I think that chain one's out. So, when you launched that chain one last year at the fence show, is there anything new you want to tell us that we might be able to see at the show? So, yeah, we we launched the chain drive last year. That was kind of a debut. It was great to do it at you guys' show. And, uh, this year, I think we're going to surprise everybody with a swing gate operator. So, and true. Yeah. So, true to form, we're gonna It's not going to be an actuator, but it will be postmount. It's going to follow. I need one of those tomorrow. Maybe tomorrow. Well, I don't know what to tell you. It's still in development. So, what we will see at the fence show is going to be a

Prototype, but it will be functional and we'll make sure that you guys get first dibs on it. I mean, that was the thing I was thinking when I was researching rotary gates is I had to look it up and figure out what all I'm like, "Wow, man. No swing gates." Hold fast. Here they come. All right, here they come. Here they come. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think everybody's gonna like it. It's gonna be great for the industry. Again, we're gonna we're going to keep your install as clean as possible. No pads. Uh we're going to get you out of the job three days sooner than a padmount operator, and y'all are going to be happy with it. Your customers going to be thrilled with it. That is a win-win. So, you're pretty close to the uh the door pretty last year and pretty close to the door this year, too, when you first walk in, right? Uh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Coming in this. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So, that's kind of cool. So, um tell us about last year's show. How how was that? So, last year's show, uh you know, Brian, you know, I love you. I got nothing but But, you know, it was the inaugural show. We were coming from across the country. We we had some reservations. Um you know, we're taking a big chance on coming from Florida over to Las Vegas. Yeah. Yeah. was a guy that everybody we talked to had nothing but great things to say about Brian, but uh you know, first time putting on a show. So, but we jumped on board. Michael Brooks and Susan were on board with you and Ron Hines and then uh the whole SAS group talked to us and really got us on board and we were extremely impressed with how well you did with it. We had a great turnout. Um I don't know what the final numbers were as far as attendees, but I can tell you uh we were busy the entire time. I did not get a chance to stop. Normally at these shows, I get a chance to walk around, see some other people, talk to smoke friends. I didn't have a chance to do that at all. I'm hoping this year is the same way. Man later. I was sweating on that one because if nobody knows, but did you not answer that question earlier? You should bet. No, I never we've never had that conversation before. So, I'm like, man, I mean, how's this going to do it right now live? This is it. but you did a good job. Uh, like I said, we were very well impressed. We've been going to Finstee since we started doing sales to dealers in 2008. So, our first Fence Tech was actually in Las Vegas. Uh, so to be able to come back there for another hour and you're in I remember that Fence Tech. Yeah, I was there. I rented a H1 Humvee that time. Thought I was pretty pretty cool [ __ ] to drive down the streets in H1. And I learned that that vehicle is not one I ever want to own. I slow as [ __ ] rocks back and forth. Doesn't stop. I'm sure enough no suspension, nothing. It was horrible. It was like 19,000 feet to the passenger seat. I didn't even see my wife over there. No, it's just money back that you paid in diesel. It said don't take this off road.

I mean, it's been a while. There's got to be like a There's I can probably announce it now. I mean, there's got to be uh I'm allowed. We went off road. He's like, "It's been seven years. They can't prosecute me for this." So, I'm going to I'm more than seven years. 2008. That was 16 years ago, man. You're good. 15 years ago. It took him a good It took him a good 10 years before he could go back to Vegas. I looked around. He came back with dirt on the tires. They're like, "You went off road?" No. No. There was just dirt in the road on Las Vegas. Yeah, a lot of dirt. Don't look under the wheel. He had the music going, the window down. He's hanging out in his Hummer cruising down the strip thinking he's the coolest guy on the strip, right? Until this guy, he just came back to my wreck. he probably taped he probably taped a couple of them painter sticks to the side of his uh side of his tires and he pulls up to, "Hey, check out my spinners." that was a thing back then, too. Remember that? The rims. Yeah, I never owned any, but boy, I wanted them. My buddy had a had an old one of those old uh Chevy Suburbans, and it was just beat to crap, dude. Just beat. I mean, it was like, you know, all you could afford. We're sitting there going down. We'd go down in San Diego down by the the main street. And this, you were young. And he would just be like he he literally took those paint sticks, that's where I got that from, those sticks, and he put them on the side. You know those yard the ones you mix the paint up. Put them on taped them or however you attach them to the side of his rims. And they were just they didn't spin, but they just kind of was sat there and moved with it. And they were just paint sticks. And we'd just pull up and he'd be yelling out the window, "Hey baby, want to ride in my Escalade?" Reach down. He would reach down, check out my spinners. Oh my god. I don't think I ever saw that. That's a new one. Sticks on there. West Coast. Gotta get creative over there on the West Coast. It was the 90s. Yeah, it was a thing. All So, um, the gate safety summit, I and you helped out a lot in the gate safety summit, you and Shelby, um, from Lift Masters. So, um, and this time we're planning on ramping that up even a little bit more. We're going to have better microphones. I, you know, we learned a lot from that first show. So, this time we plan on on really, really doing a, you know, a good job on that gate safety summit. So, hopefully we can drag you away and get you back over there to help with that. Um, what was your opinion on the gate safety summit stuff? I think it was great. I would have liked to have seen more participation from the attendees that you have, but you can't control what they do. Uh the thing is, you know, education is key in this. And no matter if you like the the new standards or hate the new standards, they are the standards. And if you willfully ignore them or you put in a system that you bypass them or something, uh you don't educate yourself on what needs to be done that this is your industry. It is your job and it is your company and you're putting yourself in liability for not doing what you should do. So you guys are offering a free service for them to come over to the gate safety summit and I'm happy to be a part of that. But you guys have live demonstrations with the gates that you have built and everything. And you know it takes uh I think it took half an hour or an hour for us to go through and answer questions. So take a little bit of your day and come on out and and maybe we can teach you something, maybe we can't, but it's not gonna hurt. Yeah. Or teach us something. I mean, really, it's just uh and we went through a lot of work to show the right and the wrong way to do it. So, and we're not afraid to build something wrong, you know, because in order to actually learn how to do it right, you got to mess it up and and explain to people, hey, this is why you put a gate stop in. This is why you put catch posts and and so we put we built some some displays that didn't have gate stops, some displays that didn't have gate uh, you know, gate stops and and catches and things like

That. That way we could show you this is what happened. We showed the gates falling, but then we showed you what happens if you have it on correctly. So, I thought you you and Shelby did one hell of a job going through there and uh you know, for the sessions that we had. So, thanks for that. And uh like I said, hopefully we can drag you over again on I've already got you scheduled in so you know getting in and doing I'm looking forward to You said you're expanding it some. So, looking forward to seeing what else we got to work with this year and looking forward to doing it and seeing what kind of participation we get this year. We need to put we need to put a rotary gate system on that thing. A rack of pinion in there. I mean, we can do it. I think most of what we focused on the gate safety summit had to do with ASM. Not so much the UL having to do with the electronics. But if we ever wanted to get into that in the future, you more than happy to get you out of display or maybe a couple of operators and get y'all familiar with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And hopefully uh if we can expand out a little bit more room where we can actually have a a large area to do that because I think it's a big deal. And if you can get, you know, if you can just get 200 more people to to to go into that and actually watch that thing, you know, you're not going to drag thousands of people over to those displays, but if we can get 200 people to come over and and see why we want, you know, certain safety things on these gates and screening it and what the difference is, I think we can make a big difference. So hopefully we can all um the industry get together on that. Um the Fence University, we're gonna be doing a lot of the show on the Fence University stuff and uh if you've been following anything we're doing over the last year, um we're doing our part to try to get that university stuff for the members and even people that aren't members. Um are you going to be getting involved in any of the educational rooms or anything like that going on during the um expo? So with with everything else we've uh volunteered for, I have not signed up for anything educational at the show. Uh Mike has been talking to me a little bit about it. I may get with him and see if I can fit that into my schedule. I' I'd love to do it. Again, I think education is key and I want to be part of it. So, it's just a matter of again fitting in the schedule like you said, getting me away from the booth. You just got to make some room, brother. Just got to open up, make some room. Got to make it happen. It's hard. It's hard. One other guy work in the booth with me. So, uh I got to leave him to all 6,000 people that show up to this thing. And my goal is to make it so busy you can't leave your booth. So, you know, we talk about that more space for the gate safety area, but we're getting crushed by all these booths that are cramming in this place. As we grow the fence show and more people want to come, it squeezes on the gate safety area, squeezes on the fence games area, right? Those are things we want to have, but not at the expense of not having some cool vendors show up. So it's a strugg it's a struggle time in your booth and sharing your education space of getting enough people there in this limited space that we have as the show grows. It's like a necessary it's like a uh I mean it's like a necessary evil I guess we want the growth but we also want to have all the space and you can't have both. Yeah. You can't have both inside. And I mean, if you get to the point that you push the Gate Safety Summit into a tiny corner and just barely do anything, then what is that? What value is that adding to your show and to the industry? So, I don't know. It may come a point where, like you guys are doing with demo days, maybe we need to look at moving it outside. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be interesting to see. Date days. There you go. We'll see what happens this year um with the demo days. It's It's It sounds like it's picking up a lot of steam. So, uh Sean's doing a lot of stuff out there. We send Susan a message and tell her we're going to have gate days. Yep. Well, she might get mad at you. We've already talked about the fence show cruise that we're going to have. So, she didn't like that.

The fence is We're gonna we're gonna get all you guys out of the snow and that cold weather, get you out on a cruise ship. I think we talked about that. I mean, and we only got one shot at this, guys, because let's face it, you get a couple thousand or even hundreds to a couple thousand fencers on a cruise ship. This is the last time we're all gonna be allowed on a cruise ship. So, you know, we're gonna Could you imagine? It would be a one-time thing. We are never coming back. You know, the trainings we do here with all the fence guys coming in Evansville for trainings, one hotel has now banned all fencers. No, I'm not kidding you. If they tell they're coming in for a misfit academy training, they're like, "No, we're booked." Well, well, first you got you got mattresses going down hallways and I mean just well first you got the the days after of all the detectives questioning us on why people disappeared and what happened. I mean this just goes I mean so it's going to last longer than the three or four days. We got two days of being questioned about the incidents and all the things that happened. Right. Probably two days of Coast Guard searches. I I know nothing. I know nothing. Look checking the cameras and all the photos on our phones to try to figure out what happened. I mean, it's it's the it's going to be a big deal. So, we might get one shot at this cruise thing. Um, you know, we'll at least get banned from one cruise line if if not all of them. So, I think we got we got to we got to hit it out of the park on the first time and then we'll have to do If we're going to do that, we might as well sponsor it with the fence king and then have their uh fence games over there. I want to see the first person put some post hole diggers through the through the deck. [snorts] Love it. Let's do it. We're we're gonna get we're gonna get Brian in there. He's going to start pounding pose. Bring some of his pounders. Man, I have been laying awake at night thinking about how I can do postdriving in the fence games competition. trust me. I have been trying to figure it out, but I'm like, we've got problems with noise, dirt. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, here's the thing. Uh Brian's got Brian kind of opened the door with the demo days for us being outside. Listen, I'm I'm spending a day out there on that Tuesday. I'm already gonna be miserable out there in the heat. Uh it be that bad. It'll be fine. Well, it's probably not as bad here. Huh? What's that? I said I heard the weather's going to be good that day. Yeah. Oh, I'm sure it is. No, Brian said it's only going to be 85 degrees. Bring a jacket. Bring a jacket. Get chilly. Yeah, I fully believe that. Las Vegas in uh beginning of September. That's Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's going to cool down at night. So, yeah, when we're all gone. I was gonna say, are we moving the the demo days to night time? Yeah. Right about when you guys are finishing up, it's going to be nice. That's an idea. Great. Nighttime. Just have spotlights out there. Well, once we put the spotlights in, it's going to heat it back up anyway. So, you know, you know, it's actually a pretty good I mean, normally statistically, it's a good time a good time of year because it's it really does. It gets cooler at night and stuff. It's not like right now where it's hot all day and all night. I mean, it's 105 like in the middle of August and July, it's 105, you know, at 10 o'clock at night. So, it never gets below triple digits. But as soon as we get towards um the end, you know, the end of August or into September, you'll see it start getting to um you know, about I say six, seven o'clock at night, 8 o'clock starts getting down to the 70s and then 860s at night. So, I mean, I think 70 by six, it has to be at least 80 by five. 90 by four. Yeah, I think you're gonna be looking, man. by by 3 o'clock in the afternoon, you're gonna

Be looking for hot chocolate. You know what I mean? Well, the one thing I am looking forward to is uh you know, you said you got a couple of months where it's this hot, you know, 105 107 degrees and then towards the end of when we're having the fence show, it's going to be cooling off at night. Uh here we are going to be 105 during the day. It is going to drop down to about 95 at night. Uh, but we've got 95% humidity. So when you walk outside in the middle of the night, you're still going to be sweating by the time you go back inside. Soaking wet. So when you when you guys get out of the shower and you open the bathroom door, does steam come in or does it go out? Uh, depends on what time of year it is. I've always been curious about that. You so if it's in the summer, you almost get steam coming in. Middle of the winter it goes out. So that's how you know how how cold it's going to be during the day. I like it. I like it. So, looks like Susan Susan did drop that GoFundMe account um or that address in the Yeah, in there. So, if anybody's watching this, uh go into the comments and uh you'll get that link in there as well. Or just, you know, I'm sure everybody's gonna be watching this. So, uh you know, send your prayers through there if you want. Chris says it's still 90 degrees in September. Yeah. Well, he's blind. 90 degrees where I mean, that's not I can live with 90. It's the 108 that we have a problem with. It does. It gets I think it's going to get in the mid days. It It might get It really depends. I mean, last year when it was here, we had like that. It was the weird And in my whole life, I've never seen they had a hurricane in California or something, right? And it brought through some cool. Yeah. It brought through someh cool weather up through even Nevada. So, we had like nice weather even in August. Well, didn't you have some flooding from that last year before the show? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was weird. But I think even the the the actual hotel itself had some power outages for for a hurricane in Nevada. How often do you hear those words together? No, there is nobody in Las Vegas prepared for a hurricane. No. So I went up to North Carolina for this class I did yesterday. I I drove up on Monday and there's a a hurricane in the Gulf and it turned right and went up through the Big Bend in Florida. And we're watching this whole thing and it's going across Florida. It's going into the Atlantic. It's going to cut back left and hit uh making landfall in the eyes going right over Charlotte, North Carolina. Right. Most of us are from the southeast. We're kind of used to it. Every one of us looked at that radar category one storm and went, "That's cute. Looks like we're driving through it." So, I drove through some of the outer bands on the way up there, drove through some of it on the way back. One of the guys from SAS was driving straight into it on his way back down to Jacksonville. And he's just like, "Yeah, it's it's part of life here." Yeah. Yeah. We wouldn't even know if we you know that sirens you see on TV and those hurricane sirens they have in all those towns or tornado sirens we have here tornado. Yeah. That kind of stuff. I mean we would just be we would just be out there thinking, man, what's going on? It'd be like that movie, you know, where you had 24 hours to do whatever you want. We'd be thinking that's happening. We'd be all in our house, you know, people gonna come try to kill us or something. Definitely wouldn't be. We definitely wouldn't be running into our first there's no basements here. So it's like where do you go in these things? There's no basement. Something like that. Yeah. You go to your battery operated car because it's so heavy. Ain't going anywhere. We all run to our shops. You know what I mean? We'd all be at our fence companies. Hiding under the chain link. Right. Hiding under our welding table. That's our safe place. Under under the welding tables. I moved from uh Oklahoma to Florida when

I was eight, so I still remember all the tornadoes we had over there. And you uh, given the choice between tornadoes or hurricanes, tornadoes are over quick, right? They come through and maybe an hour. Uh, but it's devastating. Uh, yeah, hurricanes, they last, they can last for days and they are also devastating. The difference between the two, tornado, you get about a fivem minute warning. A tornado or a hurricane, I know that thing's coming for two weeks. Days. Yeah. Yeah. So, we're watching this thing weeks out trying to figure out, okay, is this going to be a five and we need to get the hell out of here, or is this going to be, you know, a three and we need to go to the liquor store. The tornadoes here allow for some good testing fence. We got some great tests going on around here for wind loads. Great. Great. Yeah. We go down two feet here and all that stuff. So, yeah, we definitely uh all the if we had a hurricane or a storm, everything would just go down. The whole town, all the fences would fall over. Y'all's ground out there is pretty hard though, right? I mean, it's compacted and you got to dig your No, Ryan keeps saying that this shit's hard out there. Listen, come to Lexon, Kentucky. Carter Schmidt will show you some hard ground. That boy using a rockhammer all day today. Air rockhammer up in Kentucky. Yeah. Yeah. He was talking here. He was talking about outside of Nashville and I remember having to go up there with my granddaddy and uh dig a trench for him to run a water line to his house. It took me all day. I still don't think I got that 20 foot section of trench done. Look, everybody thinks they have the hardest ground on the planet everywhere I go. Oh, we got rocks. Oh, we got hard ground everywhere. somebody's got it harder. Somebody has it harder. You guys are digging through the side of a mountain. I' I've been enough places to realize that people worse off than me and worse than all it's a common day to spend eight hours digging 10 holes you out here. It's like that's why when you're like I'm calling [ __ ] on that one. You're like you're like going man it took me all day and I I dug these six eight holes and you're all upset about it. Man, that was like last Friday. Like So Sean, I want you to come down here to the beach. uh you go to put in gates on Pensacola Beach or on any of the beaches from Pensacola over to Dest. All right. Best saying you'll ever want to dig in. You could dig those holes with your hands, no problem. Trust me. But there is no structure to it. Okay. So, you will still be digging that same hole for eight hours because it's going to keep falling in on itself. I was I built a fence for a training on the beach. It was the coolest thing. like the waves are crashing in on this on this house 100 feet from where he built fence and we're digging a hole and and that's why I said that's it we're driving because they weren't driving then and I said no we're driving now we hand drove them because we have a driver but that was fine we hand drove like six seven feet deep built that fence it was aluminum fence uh yeah out there on the beach yeah no I I'm great place easy digging but almost it's uh it's almost just as bad to have easy digging because it collapses Right. So you wind up with a a two foot hole, two foot diameter hole for a 6 inch post, right? You got either Yeah, you're tomorrow. We're actually doing a training in Florida. I just forgot. Uh Billy Grove with the fence academy is doing a two-day installation training, no dig in, um Pensacola Thursday, Friday. No [ __ ] That's where I'm at. Okay, dude. I love Pensacola. I need to get with Billy and uh at least show up. Yeah. Yeah. I got some I got some catchup work to do since being gone for the last three days, but I'll see if I can get with him and stop by. Oh, shoot. Hey, next week. Next week. My bad. My bad. Billy Billy just see I don't even know what's going on. We scheduled it. They our team is bad for handling. They're like, "No, next week. Sean, calm down."

I think Billy's based out of pace. So, this guy's got me driving 45 minutes to go find a a wild goose chase. They're not even doing any training. Oh, so next week Chris and Billy are both on there next week. that's awesome. Yeah, we'll have to get some uh we'll have to get them on a live or something. I know some guys flying down from New York for that training. They're gonna see a world of difference. I was just training them in New York. Their digging was awful. They're going to love it when they get to Florida. Oh, we got to wrap this thing up. Yeah, we're getting signal from Susan in the back. M mama Susan's been blowing me up. Get off. Get off. You Susan, why are you always killing our fun, right? Every party's got a pooper. That's why we invited you. I feel like you're pay for that one. Is that gonna cost me? I know, right? See, you guys didn't even see her. She's like in the green room and she's grayed out, right? And so I Can you guys see her? No. No. Okay. I can see she's bullying me from from the grade out in the green room and you can't even see her. She was a bully. Yeah, she she won't let me have a crane at the demo day to lift people out of the maze. She said it's a bad idea. I said if they get lost or the panic, we able to reach into the crane, hook it around their should their armpits, and pull them out. It's not. She's not her. We tell her it's a safe idea. We did a poll and the entire industry thinks you shouldn't ever own a crane. So that's what it comes down to. It has nothing to do with it. We feel like if you got a crane, you know, even if we rented one, you would end up having a crane somehow attached to the back of one of these super fencers and you just be lifting crap up everywhere. You just they can do you don't know what the limitations are until you push them. I'm not seeing the problem here, though. A couple drinks and he sees a smart car in a parking lot somewhere and he's just picking it up in the back. He sees, you know, no longer would he use a trailer on his boat. He would just back his super truck up in there and he'd just pick his boat out of the water. It would just be everywhere he went with his crane. He wouldn't go anywhere without Sounds like a good idea to me. I'm failing to see the problem in this scenario. That sounds like a good time. Safety first, Shane. Safety first. It's a backup plan. You got your yellow vest and your hard hat. We can We can do that. We could do If Listen, Susan, if you want to put them on a hard hat and a vest, I'll do that and lift them. I don't know what's going to fall on her head, but that's fine. All right. All right, guys. Well, Shane, thanks for coming on. Uh, always good talking to you. Uh Sean, I know we're gonna be seeing you uh almost every week on here with us, so we appreciate your your support on it as well. Um any last minute things? Sean, it was great talking to you. Brian, as always, great talking to you and I will see you next month and I'm sure I'll be talking to you before then. Yep. Sounds good, guys. All right. Take care. T plus one. See you. All right. See you guys. Bye, guys.